First to call attention to a possible scam was 2+2 forum member 'HoyaSaxa123', who launched the topic below:
„Possible Disconnect Scammer
“I've had three disconnect issues in the past five days. All have been when screen name "LivLiv1" has sat my husngs. After i DC, it's impossible for me to reconnect to my internet/backup internet. The internet comes back after about 5 mins, but because i play hyper HUSNGs the damage has been done. User MrGoomba had disconnected the other day while sitting a bunch of tables and LivLiv1 immediately sat and blinded him down in the hypers of those. The first two times this happened, I re-sat a couple lobbies after believing the internet was back to normal. I then was DC'd once again and sharkscope let me know that LivLiv1 had blinded me down yet again. Today, after DC'g I decided to sit a couple lower stakes lobbies to see if my internet would go out again shortly after the first time. It didn't - completely normal.
“This got me wondering if this user is somehow watching the high stakes lobbies and causing disconnects and immediately sitting these hypers knowing there is no realistic chance a person can regain internet in time to save chips. I don't even know if this is possible, but can a user do this?” HoyaSaxa123 wrote.
Initially, some players highlighted that failure of connection between players and the Revolution skins is an almost daily issue, allowing for the possibility of an awkward coincidence, but later, with additional pieces of information surfacing, it became more and more likely that a scam is going on after all.
In possession of an IP address, it appears, a Denial of Service attack can easily be utilised to severe an internet connection. Moreover, LivLiv1’s Sharkscope statistics show, while taken from a small sample, that even his couple of days old account’s winning rate is suspicious at best.
More and more players appeared who had a similar experience with ‘LivLiv1’, not to mention the several instances of the person(s) behind the ‘LivLiv1’ account getting banned from the 2+2 forum. They kept returning, however, possibly owning the ‘livliv1,’ ‘fish grinder,’ ‘OPXRUNNIN,’ ‘ledger12ledger,’ ‘NLHitmanU,’ ‘W1ck3d0n,’ ‘WhatYouWant’ as well as the ‘herocallme22’ accounts. Possible involvement in a number of other scams has also been mentioned.
2+2 HU SNG official ‘ChicagoRy’ posted the following summary of the case:
“Still developing and not easy to follow but I'll give it a go.
- Sa1251 reports he keeps dcing and being sat by livliv. Some of these appear to be sit then dc, rather than dc then sit (the latter is just the sign of a guy looking for an easy free buyin).
- livliv appears to be connected to a previous collusion account on FTP.
- livliv appears to be adding tons of people to skype and trying to trade Lock funds.
- livliv banned on 2p2 for one or both of the last two cliffs.
- livliv makes a post ~5 days ago bitching about having lost KK bc of Lock software crash. The screenshot reveals he is livliv, not anything he says.
- suspicious chat from another player reported in a hu cash table with livliv.
- livliv makes yet another 2p2 account in the lock forum complaining that his account is frozen and has 5k in it. Edit: Also appears he was multi accounting on Lock and engaging in some "activities" (per LockShane's post in the thread).
- sharkscope stats for livliv look pretty darn good in short term, though they include the dced buyins he won, so they could be highly influenced by a few free wins at higher stakes given the small sample.”
Hasupt’s account of an online encounter with 'livliv1':
“I'm pretty sure he didn't just passively saw people DC. I got invited in skype by him (declined) and moments later I got a disconnect from poker client (while router had signal from ISP, I couldn't use internet). I didn't had a disconnect like that before ever. Minutes later, while I was sitting alone at a 10-20 NLH table he joined and asked me to play him higher (being insistent and saying he was tilted). Obviously these are not a series of coincidences,” Hasupt wrote.
‘LivLiv1’ likely scammed and won big money from those players whom he had managed to contact before, perhaps using a fake screen name, via Skype. In April, 2012, a flaw of the software was revealed, which enabled anyone to easily access their partners’ IP addresses. The scammer may have been abusing this flaw, using the IP addresses to attack their opponents’ computers.
The case is currently being investigated. Regardless of the results, Rakerace.com suggests its players to use dynamic IP addresses as well as to give their Skype contacts only to those whom they unquestionably trust.
„Possible Disconnect Scammer
“I've had three disconnect issues in the past five days. All have been when screen name "LivLiv1" has sat my husngs. After i DC, it's impossible for me to reconnect to my internet/backup internet. The internet comes back after about 5 mins, but because i play hyper HUSNGs the damage has been done. User MrGoomba had disconnected the other day while sitting a bunch of tables and LivLiv1 immediately sat and blinded him down in the hypers of those. The first two times this happened, I re-sat a couple lobbies after believing the internet was back to normal. I then was DC'd once again and sharkscope let me know that LivLiv1 had blinded me down yet again. Today, after DC'g I decided to sit a couple lower stakes lobbies to see if my internet would go out again shortly after the first time. It didn't - completely normal.
“This got me wondering if this user is somehow watching the high stakes lobbies and causing disconnects and immediately sitting these hypers knowing there is no realistic chance a person can regain internet in time to save chips. I don't even know if this is possible, but can a user do this?” HoyaSaxa123 wrote.
Initially, some players highlighted that failure of connection between players and the Revolution skins is an almost daily issue, allowing for the possibility of an awkward coincidence, but later, with additional pieces of information surfacing, it became more and more likely that a scam is going on after all.
In possession of an IP address, it appears, a Denial of Service attack can easily be utilised to severe an internet connection. Moreover, LivLiv1’s Sharkscope statistics show, while taken from a small sample, that even his couple of days old account’s winning rate is suspicious at best.
More and more players appeared who had a similar experience with ‘LivLiv1’, not to mention the several instances of the person(s) behind the ‘LivLiv1’ account getting banned from the 2+2 forum. They kept returning, however, possibly owning the ‘livliv1,’ ‘fish grinder,’ ‘OPXRUNNIN,’ ‘ledger12ledger,’ ‘NLHitmanU,’ ‘W1ck3d0n,’ ‘WhatYouWant’ as well as the ‘herocallme22’ accounts. Possible involvement in a number of other scams has also been mentioned.
2+2 HU SNG official ‘ChicagoRy’ posted the following summary of the case:
“Still developing and not easy to follow but I'll give it a go.
- Sa1251 reports he keeps dcing and being sat by livliv. Some of these appear to be sit then dc, rather than dc then sit (the latter is just the sign of a guy looking for an easy free buyin).
- livliv appears to be connected to a previous collusion account on FTP.
- livliv appears to be adding tons of people to skype and trying to trade Lock funds.
- livliv banned on 2p2 for one or both of the last two cliffs.
- livliv makes a post ~5 days ago bitching about having lost KK bc of Lock software crash. The screenshot reveals he is livliv, not anything he says.
- suspicious chat from another player reported in a hu cash table with livliv.
- livliv makes yet another 2p2 account in the lock forum complaining that his account is frozen and has 5k in it. Edit: Also appears he was multi accounting on Lock and engaging in some "activities" (per LockShane's post in the thread).
- sharkscope stats for livliv look pretty darn good in short term, though they include the dced buyins he won, so they could be highly influenced by a few free wins at higher stakes given the small sample.”
Hasupt’s account of an online encounter with 'livliv1':
“I'm pretty sure he didn't just passively saw people DC. I got invited in skype by him (declined) and moments later I got a disconnect from poker client (while router had signal from ISP, I couldn't use internet). I didn't had a disconnect like that before ever. Minutes later, while I was sitting alone at a 10-20 NLH table he joined and asked me to play him higher (being insistent and saying he was tilted). Obviously these are not a series of coincidences,” Hasupt wrote.
‘LivLiv1’ likely scammed and won big money from those players whom he had managed to contact before, perhaps using a fake screen name, via Skype. In April, 2012, a flaw of the software was revealed, which enabled anyone to easily access their partners’ IP addresses. The scammer may have been abusing this flaw, using the IP addresses to attack their opponents’ computers.
The case is currently being investigated. Regardless of the results, Rakerace.com suggests its players to use dynamic IP addresses as well as to give their Skype contacts only to those whom they unquestionably trust.
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